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\insrsid8349456 where I teach, people were much}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8456323  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 more familiar with chronic or lingering conditions.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8456323  }{
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enough people to slow down the}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid1195561  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 spread, maybe social distancing}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid1195561  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
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\ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid11827531  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 prevention for many years}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid11827531  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 to come.
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\par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid11827531 Dr. Knox: }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 I'm so glad you're both }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid11827531 mentioning these things, because it\rquote 
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\insrsid11827531 No }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 governments fell}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid11827531 , }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 towns}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid11827531  }{
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are really responding to these}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid11827531  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 real situations.
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\par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid1901127 Dr. Pladek: }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid6754308 To}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456  add onto that}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid6754308 : }{\rtlch\fcs1 
\af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 one of the}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid1901127  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 things that I wonder, and Leslie, maybe you can answer}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid1901127 
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\insrsid6897292  century, there }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 is a hard start date for storie}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid6897292 s }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 in which a pandemic literally}{
\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid6897292  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid6754308 destroys }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 civilization}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid6897292 ---a}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 
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\ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 distributed in England in 1803}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid6897292  (}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 I say distributed because}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid6897292  }{\rtlch\fcs1 
\af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 British scientists claimed t}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid6897292 o }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 have discovered vaccines when}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid6897292  }{
\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 that was really knowledge that}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid6897292  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 had been }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid6754308 known}{
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 work.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 
\par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15739095 
\par Dr. Knox: R}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 ight}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15739095 .}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456  No, I don't think}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4008571  }{\rtlch\fcs1 
\af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 there are any. I mean, I can}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4008571  give you the }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 one}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4008571  }{\rtlch\fcs1 
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\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456  is th}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4008571 e }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 most famous}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid6226850  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 
\ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 foundational plague literature}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4008571 . }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 And everybody remembers like}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid6226850 ---}{
\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4008571 \'93o}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 h, the society fell apart,}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4008571  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 parents }{
\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4008571 wouldn\rquote t bury their}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456  children, children}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4008571  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 
wouldn't }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4008571 b}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 ury their parents.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4008571  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 
Some people just partied or the}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4008571  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 other ones, like all ran off and}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4008571  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid8349456 did something}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4008571 .\'94 But}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456  then they}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4008571  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 
forget the other paragraphs that}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4008571  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 are there}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid6226850 , }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 saying}
{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid6226850 , }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4008571 \'93}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 OK. Well,}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4008571  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid8349456 here's how people helped each}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4008571  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 other out. And here is how they}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4008571  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 
\ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 engaged }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4008571 in }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 social ministry to each other}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4008571 , }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 
\ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 and there were lawyers}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4008571  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 coming to take }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4008571 w}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid8349456 ills}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4008571 ,}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456  and they}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4008571  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 buried the d
epth appropriately.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid6226850 \'94}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4008571  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 So they really don't have that}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid4008571  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 same modern apocalyptic}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4008571  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 narrative. And I wonder}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid4008571  if}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456  the difference }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4008571 is this }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 sort of penitential component to}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 
\ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4008571  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 it, that because }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4008571 of the religious belief that runs across religious traditions, Jewish, }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid8349456 Muslim,}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4008571  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 Christian, and}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4008571  be it }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 
the Greek sources }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4008571 or}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456  the Latin}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4008571  ones, }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 
they all agree that}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4008571  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 this is punishment}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4008571 . }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid6226850 One}{
\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456  response to this is to be}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4008571  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 penitential, to examine your}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid4008571  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 moral life}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4008571 , a}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 nd are you living}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4008571  }{
\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 better}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4008571 ? }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 I don't know that}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid6226850  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 
\ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 you get the same thing in the 19}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \super\insrsid4008571\charrsid4008571 th}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4008571  century }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 setting}{
\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid6226850 ,}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456  in the 19th century text}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4008571 . And Laurieann, you certainly don\rquote t see it the same way in the 20}{
\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \super\insrsid4008571\charrsid4008571 th}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4008571  and 21}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \super\insrsid4008571\charrsid4008571 st}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid4008571  century. The response is kind of medicalized. }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 
\par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4008571 
\par Dr. Klockow: S}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 ure. I mean, we now}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4008571  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 know that we can actually}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid4008571  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 isolate the pathogens causing}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4008571  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 these outbreaks. }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid6226850 That}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4008571  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 was something really}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4008571  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 
extraordinary with COVID-19}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4008571 , }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 how quickly they isolated the}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4008571  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid8349456 virus and published that genome}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4008571  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 so that people could get working}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid3875383  }{\rtlch\fcs1 
\af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 right away on creating a test}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4008571  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 and working on antivirals and a}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid6226850  }{
\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 vaccine to go off. 
\par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid9452964 
\par Dr. Pladek: Laurieann, to go off what you were saying earlier about students expecting pandemics to unfold narratively in particular ways, there are also a lot of }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 interesting ideas that our}{\rtlch\fcs1 
\af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid9452964  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 students have about what it}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid9452964  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 means to behave properly in a}{
\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid9452964  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 pandemi}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid3875383 c. }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 And these are all}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 
\ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid9452964  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 really culturally and}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid9452964  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 historically constructed.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 
\ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid9452964  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 I'm happy to start here}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid3875383 , }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 because the most}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 
\ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid9452964  interesting idea, or maybe the most disturbing, is that }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 pandemics are inherently}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid9452964  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid8349456 times for competition rather}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid9452964  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 than cooperation. I don't think there's a single}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid9452964  }{
\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 cause for this. Although you}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid9452964  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 know}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid9452964 ---}{\rtlch\fcs1 
\af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 shiny lights, capitalism,}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid9452964  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 shiny lights}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid9452964 ---}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 
\ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 there are many}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid9452964  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15952435 contributing }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 factors, but I think one place}{\rtlch\fcs1 
\af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid9452964  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 that we can see this most}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15952435  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 strongly is in what to me is the}{
\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid9452964  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 kind of symbolic pandemic}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid9452964  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 
narrative of the modern era,}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid9452964  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid3875383 the }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 zombie story.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid9452964  T}{
\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 hese have been around}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid9452964  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 for a long time, but really}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid9452964  }{
\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 began to gain in popularity over}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid9452964  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 the past 30 to 40 years. }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid3875383 The}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid9452964  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 heart of}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid9452964  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 
the zombie story is the idea}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid9452964  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 that the sick are our enemies.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid9452964  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid8349456 They cannot be recuperated once}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid9452964  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 you're a zombie, you cannot be}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid9452964  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 
\ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 made }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid9452964 un-}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 zombiefied. The only way}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid9452964  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid8349456 to battle that illness is to}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid9452964  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 kill}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid9452964  or }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid8349456 sacrifice other people.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid9452964  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 So the idea of a pandemic}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid9452964  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid8349456 inherently becomes one in which}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid9452964  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 everyone is}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid9452964  pit against }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 
\ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 each other, and the health}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid9452964 y are }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 pit against the sick. }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid3875383 W}{\rtlch\fcs1 
\af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 e see}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid9452964  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 these stories where zombies are}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid9452964  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 
\ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 killed in order to preserve the}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid9452964  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 rest of humanity. And there's}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid9452964  }{
\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 this discourse of}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid9452964  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 sacrifice surrounding those}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15952435  }{
\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 killings. It's weirdly }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid9452964 martial, }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 and we actually have seen in}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid9452964  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15952435 covid, disturbingly to me, the idea that}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid3875383  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15952435 we}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid8349456  should reopen the}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15952435  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 economy framed in terms of}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid3875383  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid8349456 sacrifice, as if some people}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15952435  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 just had to die in order for th}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15952435 e }{\rtlch\fcs1 
\af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 rest of us to continue. And by}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15952435  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 the rest of us, people seem}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15952435  }{
\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 to mean}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15952435  th}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 e economy}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15952435 .
\par 
\par Dr. Klockow: R}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 ight}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid12282824 . }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 You}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid12282824  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 
\ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 also see this idea with}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid12282824  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 individualism and competition}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid12282824  }{\rtlch\fcs1 
\af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 and the idea about wearing a}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid12282824  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 mask}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid12282824 ,}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 
\ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456  with the idea that some}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid12282824  people are wearing }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 masks, thinking that this is to}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid12282824  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 protect them from other people}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid12282824  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 who may be infected, which is}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 
\ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid12282824  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 actually not the purpose of}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid12282824  these cloth}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456  masks and face}{\rtlch\fcs1 
\af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid12282824  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 coverings, which is to protect}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid12282824  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 other people from you. And that
}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid12282824  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 really kind of goes against th}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid12282824 e }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 
narrative of diseases where}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid12282824  people don\rquote t think about the risk that they are posing to others, they\rquote re always }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 usually focusing on}{
\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid12282824  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 the risk that everybody else}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid12282824  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 
could be posing to them and}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid12282824  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 instilling }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid12282824 in}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456  this}{
\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid16522822  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 fear of the other and trying}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid16522822  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 
to preserve yourself, not}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid16522822  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 realizing that you may be}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid16522822  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid8349456 posing a huge risk to others.
\par 
\par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid16522822 Dr. Knox: You j}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 ust brought up this idea}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid16522822  of}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456  the}{
\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid16522822  o}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 ther}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid16522822 , and that\rquote s }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 absolutely}{\rtlch\fcs1 
\af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid10556799  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 one of the}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid16522822  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 most disturbing things I'v}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 
\ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid16522822 e }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 seen. How quickly that came into}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid16522822  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 discussions of }{\rtlch\fcs1 
\af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid16522822 covid}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 , and I don't
\par know why that surprise}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid16522822 s}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456  me}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid16522822 .}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456  }{\rtlch\fcs1 
\af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid16522822 One thing with the Black Death is: y}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 ou famously have}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid16522822  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 
accusations that the Jews wer}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid16522822 e }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 poisoning the wells}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid16522822 , and even if you have people at the time saying, 
\'93well, that doesn\rquote t make any sense, because they\rquote re dying similarly to}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456  our local}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid16522822  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 
Christian population,}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid16522822 \'94 they nonetheless will have that. You\rquote ll}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456  have }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid16522822 lepers}{\rtlch\fcs1 
\af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456  accused sometimes}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid16522822 , }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 even poor people.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid16522822  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 
\ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 And so yes, it's this}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid16522822  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 natural human response, but it's}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid16522822  }{\rtlch\fcs1 
\af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 interesting to contrast that}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid16522822  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 more with the examples of where}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid16522822  }{
\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 people are really helping each}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid5007736  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 other }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid5007736 and }{
\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 showing those recognitions. }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid10556799 W}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 hen you started talking}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid5007736 
 }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 about recognizing disease, I'm}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid5007736  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 thinking of the famous example}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid5007736  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 of }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid6834994 Eyam}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456  in 17th century England}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid6834994 , }
{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 that's the famous village where plague came North}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid6834994  f}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 rom London}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid6834994 , probably in }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 fleas and in cloth, and from}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid6834994  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 merchants}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 
\ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid6834994 . A}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 nd this}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid6834994  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 small village}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid6834994  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 decided they would quarantine}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid6834994  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 themselves to limit the plague}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 
\ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid6834994 ---}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 Geraldine Brooks }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid6834994 has}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456  written about this}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 
\ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid6834994  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 really wonderfully in }{\rtlch\fcs1 \ai\af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \i\insrsid6834994 The Year of Wonders}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid6834994 ,}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 
\ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid6834994 t}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 he novelization of}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid10556799  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 
that}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid10556799 . A}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 nd they do it. I mean}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid6834994 , mortality there is }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 
crazy high}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid6834994 , }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 like 85%, but they do}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid6834994  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 basic
ally manage to stop it, and}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid6834994  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 some of the other surrounding}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid6834994  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid8349456 villages agreed to provision}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid6834994  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 them. }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid6834994 And you really do have }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 
\ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 this example of people}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid6834994  working together. And they don\rquote t }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 have modern germ theory,}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid6834994  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 but}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid6834994  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 they understand it narratively.
\par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid6834994 
\par Dr. Pladek: What I wonder is, why is that not the predominant story, the story of cooperation? Why are we so narratively compelled by the }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 individualistic approach to}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid6834994  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 pandemic when there are these}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid6834994  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 really inspiring stories,}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 
\ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid6834994  we }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 could be telling instead}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid6834994 ? }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 I}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid6834994  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 don't have a very good answer to}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid6834994  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 that question. I mean, I think}{\rtlch\fcs1 
\af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid6834994  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 it has something to do with}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid6834994  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 western narratives being 
preoccupied with the idea of the}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid6834994  singular hero. }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 This goes all the}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid6834994  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid8349456 way back to our epic literature}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid1314780 , where the singular hero }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 saves the day}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid1314780 , often }{
\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 by}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid1314780  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 slaughtering a whole bunch of}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid1314780  other people}{
\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid10556799 ..}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid1314780 . }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 OK, so maybe}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid10556799  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 
\ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 this is the connection}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid1314780 ,}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456  because}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid1314780  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid8349456 we tend to figure heroism}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid1314780  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 through the imagery of }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid1314780 war. }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 
\ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid10556799 W}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid1314780 e\rquote ve }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 seen recently with }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid1314780 c}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid8349456 ovid}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid1314780 , that }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 war is the major metaphor that}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid1314780  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid8349456 our government is using to tal}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid1314780 k }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 about }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid1314780 it}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid8349456 . And the other thing}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid1314780  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 that, at least in the ang}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid1314780 lophone west, }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 
\ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 goes along with the}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid1314780  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 discourse of war}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid1314780  is the discourse }{\rtlch\fcs1 
\af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 of heroism}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid1314780 . H}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 eroes are}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid1314780  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid8349456 frequently figured in our media}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid1314780  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 as singular figures. So maybe}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid1314780  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 
\ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 we're being taught}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid1314780  to think of covid as something }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 about which we have to be}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid1314780  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 hero}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid1314780 e}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 s}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid1314780 ,}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 
\ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456  about which we have to}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid1314780  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 be courageous. Maybe we're}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid1314780  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 
\ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 adopting the inherent}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid1314780  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 individualism of the }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid1314780 west\rquote s }{\rtlch\fcs1 
\af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 ideal hero into our own}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid1314780  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 thinking about what it means}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid1314780  }{
\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 to behave during a pandemic as}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8460737  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 opposed to}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8460737 , \'93
this isn\rquote t a place to be heroic, this is a place to be cooperative, and we can save our entire village if we do that.\'94 Also}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456  that's not a}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8460737  }{
\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 boring story to tell}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8460737 .}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 
\par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8460737 
\par Dr. Knox: You would think it wouldn\rquote t be. }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 You know, I was recently reading}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8460737  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 an
 article and this was focused}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8460737  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 more on the justinianic plague}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8460737  of }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid8349456 the 6}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \super\insrsid8460737\charrsid8460737 th}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8460737  and }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 7}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\super\insrsid8349456\charrsid8460737 th}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8460737  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 centuries }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8460737 up }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
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\insrsid8460737 . }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 It brings an}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8460737  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 end to the Roman world,}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid8460737  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 it's again another example of}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8460737  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid5662622 collapsology.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid8349456  One of the}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid5662622  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 things that this}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid5662622  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 
interdisciplinary team thinks is}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid5662622  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 a cause, is sort of the}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid5662622  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid8349456 competition for research grants.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid5662622  So you connect your research to the pandemic, and it\rquote s gotta }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 be big in terms of in terms of}{
\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid5662622  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 its social, political,}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid5662622  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 economic impact}{\rtlch\fcs1 
\af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid5662622 ---}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 and it is. Bu}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid5662622 t }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 then your solution to it}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 
\ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid5662622  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 similarly has to be big}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid1124836 , s}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid5662622 o }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid8349456 you get the funding}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid1124836 . Which I thought }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 was an interesting way}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid1124836  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 
\ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 to think about it. Made some}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid1124836  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 sense.
\par 
\par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid1124836 Dr. Pladek: }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 That's interesting, so we}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid1124836  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 
exaggerate our narratives of}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid1124836  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 our narratives of plague in
\par order to support ourselves}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid1124836 ?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 
\par 
\par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1404447 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid1124836 Dr. Knox: }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 So what you're saying is}{
\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid1124836  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 narrative, and }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid1124836 what I }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 
love about bringing us together}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid1124836  is---Laurieann, }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 tell me if}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid1124836  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid8349456 this isn't fair}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid1124836 ---}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 sometimes some}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid6901850  scientists think that they don\rquote t have 
narratives, they have facts. \'93What is our research showing, our quantitative evidence.\'94 But }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 scientific discourse is a form}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid6901850  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 
\ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 of creating stories and}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid6901850  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 narratives as much as we do that}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid16333062  }{\rtlch\fcs1 
\af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 from the humanities}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid16333062 . A}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 nd so that}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid16333062  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 
\ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 is a part of saying, }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid16333062 \'93}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 You know,}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid16333062  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid8349456 well, why does your research}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid16333062  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 matter? Why is it important? Why}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid16333062  }{\rtlch\fcs1 
\af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 should you take this class on}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid16333062  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 COVID-19? What are you going to}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid16333062  }
{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 carry }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid16333062  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 forward from it? }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid1404447 Laurieann, }{\rtlch\fcs1 
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\insrsid8349456 hat kind of}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid1404447  specific assumptions do you think students }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 bring in? Like the narrative}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid1404447  }{
\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 zombie movies or the games}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid1404447 , but what else}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid10054228  might they have for assumptions}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 
\ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid1404447 ?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid1404447 
\par 
\par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid8349456 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid1404447 Dr. Klockow: }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 I think the}{\rtlch\fcs1 
\af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid10054228  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 timeline of pandemics}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid10054228 , too. L}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 ik}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 
\ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid10054228 e, the idea that it\rquote s }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 sort of easy to come}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid10054228  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 up with a cure or a 
vaccine and}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid10054228  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 their heroes in this story are}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid10054228  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 
gonna be those scientists who}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid10054228  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 come up with the vaccine}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid10054228  a}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
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 slow down the spread. W}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 e may not have a}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid467238  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 vaccine for many, many years,}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 
\ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid467238  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 and so the heroes}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid467238 ,}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456  like you said}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid467238 , can be us: }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 this idea of doing these small}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid467238  actions}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid2389307 , that these small actions}{
\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid467238  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 can actually be, especially when}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid467238  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 
many people in the population do}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid467238  them, really effective in }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 slowing down disease spread. }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15417817 
\par 
\par Dr. Pladek: }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 I}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid2389307  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 feel like a related factor here}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid2389307 ---}{
\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 because }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid2389307 Laurieann}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456  I think you'}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid2389307 
ve described there are students\rquote  narrative assumptions not just about pandemic but about medicine, and about what medicine is, and what its role in society is. And that role is }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 something which was}
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constructed by doctors in the}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid2389307  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 early 20th century, where they}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid2389307  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid8349456 made a push to refigure}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid2389307  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 themselves as scientists}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid2389307  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
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\af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid2389307  was still }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 medical, and}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid2389307  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 still important, but wasn't }{
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create for itself}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid2389307 . A}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 ctually}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid2389307  in}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 
 the late 19 century, you}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid13455539  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 begin to get collec}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid13455539 tions of biographies of great doctors who advance
d medical science, particularly }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 by finding cures.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid13455539  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 When our students think of}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 
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\insrsid13455539 doctor who }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 finds the cure for the thing.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid13455539  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 And our media absolutely}{\rtlch\fcs1 
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ho manages to find the particular cure for a person when nobody else could. And }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15679809 his}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456  scientific}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15679809  }{
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\insrsid15679809  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 cure, or at least to find an}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15679809  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 explanation. So it's interestin}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 
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\insrsid15679809  series about John Snow, the guy who figured out that if you shut down the connections between sewage and the water pipes in London, we can severely cut down cholera outbreaks that may be there. }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid8349456 Maybe}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15679809  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 there's a TV show in which}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15679809  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 
Jo}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15679809 h}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 n Snow figures and it isn't}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15679809  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 
Game of Thrones, but }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15679809 I }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 haven't seen one. }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid2818241 
\par 
\par Dr. Knox: }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 I don't}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8810483  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 think Cholera or dysentery or}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8810483  }{
\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 those other things are sexy}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8810483  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 enough for a TV show.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8810483  
We need a consumptive narrative.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 
\par 
\par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8810483 Dr. Pladek: What does it }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 mean to have a disease that is}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8810483  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid8349456 sexy? Because you're absolutely}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8810483  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 right.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8810483  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid8349456 And that's fascinating.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8810483  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 What counts }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8810483 a}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid8349456 s a sexy disease}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8810483 , one that }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 we can tell}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8810483  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid8349456 stories about}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8810483 ?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456  and I don't mean}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8810483  the tubercular }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid8349456 beautiful woman that the 19}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \super\insrsid8349456\charrsid8810483 th}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8810483  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 century was super into}{
\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8810483 ,}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456  with her}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8810483  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 pale cheeks and languishing on}{
\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8810483  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 couches. What are the kinds of}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8810483  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 
diseases that we like to tell}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8810483  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 stories about? I don't}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8810483  have a good answer. }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 
\ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 It's an interesting question.
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\par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8731645 Dr: Klockow: That is an interesting }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 question}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8731645 . Because }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid8349456 I'm even}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8731645  thinking back to 2014, }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid5661189 and the African ebola outbreak. W}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8731645 hen there was }{
\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 a single case}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8731645  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 of Ebola imported into th}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8731645 e }{
\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 United States, it just}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8731645  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 went all over the news an}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8731645 d }{
\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 everybody was freaking out. I}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8731645  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 remember there was a survey done}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid8731645  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 that said if there was a vaccine}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8731645  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 for Ebola, would you take it}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 
\ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8731645 ? A}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 nd}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8731645  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 something like 65% said yes}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid8731645 . A}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 nd}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4816147  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 for context}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4816147 , our vaccination 
}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 rate for}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4816147  seasonal}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456  influenza, which kills}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4816147  o}{
\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 n average 36,000 people in the}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4816147  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 United States}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4816147 ---o}{
\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 ur }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4816147 vaccination }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 rate is around 45%}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4816147 . So }{\rtlch\fcs1 
\af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 even}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4816147  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 though no one had died of}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4816147  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 
\ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 Ebola here in the United}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4816147  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 States, even know this was}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4816147  the very}{\rtlch\fcs1 
\af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456  case of Ebola}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4816147 , p}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 eople were saying yeah,}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4816147  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 
\ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 I would get a vaccine}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4816147 ,}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456  and}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4816147  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid8349456 getting all sort of scared and}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4816147  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 panicky about this}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4816147 . A}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 
\ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 nd I think}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4816147  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 its }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4816147 be}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 
cause ebola is a sexy}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4816147  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 disease. I mean it, you get}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4816147  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 
hemorrhaging and blood comes}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4816147  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 from your orifices and your body}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4816147  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid8349456 and }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid2123438 it\rquote s highly infectious, but it\rquote s actually less }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 contagious than }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid2123438 
covid-}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 19}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid2123438 ,}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456  which}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid2123438  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid8349456 spreads through the airborne}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid2123438  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 route. So yeah, it's really}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid2123438  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 
\ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 interesting how just the}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid2123438  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 visualization}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid2123438 ,}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid8349456  or people's}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid2123438  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 imagination}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid2123438  of}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 
 what a disease}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid2123438  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 looks like and how it effects}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid2123438  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 
the body}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15151530 , h}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 ow that actually}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15151530  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 influences how }{
\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15151530 people react}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid9913430  to a disease.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 
\par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid9913430 
\par Dr. Pladek: That\rquote s really interesting. }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 I think that}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid9913430  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 you're right to focus on the}{\rtlch\fcs1 
\af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8788699  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 effect on the physical body }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8788699 as }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 something that is an indicator}{
\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8788699  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 of how}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8788699 ---}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 I hate to keep using the
\par word sexy. }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid4280574 W}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 hat's a better word for it?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8788699  N}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 
arratively compelling}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8788699 ---}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 a}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8788699  disease is. Ebola }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 
is exaggerated,}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8788699  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 and maybe that's one of the}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8788699  reasons people c}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid8349456 onsider it so interesting}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8788699 . I\rquote m }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 trying to think of other}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8788699  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 
\ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 diseases that would be as}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8788699  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 narratively interesting}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid7810739 , or }{\rtlch\fcs1 
\af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 diseases that that aren't }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid7810739 a}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 s}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid7810739  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid8349456 narratively interesting too.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid7810739  I }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 think that maybe there'}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid7810739 s }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 
\ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 also the }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid7810739 exoticization }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 factor of Ebola }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid7810739 starting originally in }{
\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 Africa}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid7810739 . W}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 e can see that kind}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid7810739  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 
\ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 of weirdly exotic racist}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid7810739  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 approach to }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid7810739 covid}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 
\ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456  as well}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid7810739 , w}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 ith}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid7810739  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 
Trump naming }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid7810739 it}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456  the }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid7810739 \'93China virus,\'94 and }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 
people retelling what I think is}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid7306706  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 a fairly common story about}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid7810739  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid8349456 pandemic}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid7810739 s---}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 that they start in}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid7810739  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 the 
}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid7306706 e}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 ast and then sweep }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid7306706 w}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 est in}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 
\ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid7810739  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 this weird reverse}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid7810739  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 colonization }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid7306706 that the west seems to be very afraid of}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 .
\par 
\par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid7306706 Dr. Klockow: And isn\rquote t it ironic that the United States is the epicenter of covid-19, }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 which totally flies}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 
\insrsid7306706  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 in the face of that narrative.
\par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid7306706 
\par Dr. Pladek: }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 Yes, }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid7306706 a}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 bsolutely. }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid7306706 
\par 
\par Dr. Knox: }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 I don't know}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid7306706  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 how }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid7306706 we\rquote ll}{
\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456  wrap this up, but I}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid7306706  }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 think one thing we could say to}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid7306706  
}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 try to }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid7306706 w}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid8349456 rap the conversation}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af31507 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid7306706  }{\rtlch\fcs1 
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